Tuesday, June 09, 2009

Worsted Blue Blogginess

I completely forgot to tell you guys! I've started contributing to a postmodern feminist blog. And I am probably going to screw this up and say something offensive or insensitive and piss off the entire online feminist community and have to go into Witness Protection very excited about it.

Anyway, please do take a moment to drop by The Bluestocking. It'll be good for what ails ye. And by "ye," I mean "the patriarchy."

ETA: When writing for The Bluestocking, I am known as Chalmers "Dauntless" Z. Vanderbilt, cousin of Angharad "Bunny" V. Setherwood. Long story.

20 comments:

Siobhan said...

Oh, good! With Shakesville on hiatus and pandagon only posting 3-4 times a day, I've been needing a new source of outrage!

Will see you there ;).

Quix said...

"With Shakesville on hiatus"

*sobs* the main event in my daily blog reading, and she was driven away by jackasses.

still, yeah, never heard of bluestocking, will check it out.

Siobhan said...

Not to threadjack, but I know I can't say this at Shakesville: The last two weeks of may-beginning of June, Mercury was retrograde. A TERRIBLE time for all communication, which is why I think many regular commenters (myself included) phrased things poorly.

Also, I just don't think Melissa is going to be able to control concern trolls at an open blog. Period.

Magaly Guerrero said...

I haven't checked out The Bluestocking, but I'm going to tonight. I mean, you are "very excited about it." so it must be good.

Evn said...

Wait, so what happened with Shakesville? I admit I don't check in there very often, but I can't seem to find any info about the haitus...

PS: (waves at Magaly) The Bluestocking is ironic and fun. I think you'll like it.

Siobhan said...

on this thread (http://shakespearessister.blogspot.com/2009/06/two-minute-nostalgia-sublime-smokey.html), the first comment by PaultheSpud shows all the crap that led up to Melissa taking a break, and here (http://shakespearessister.blogspot.com/2009/06/please-tell-me-this-isnt-real.html#comment-10429010) was the actual decision.

I find it VERY interesting that the Lily Tomlin thread got closed -- that was basically all the Shakes community going "ok, see you" and they shut it down.

Quix said...

Siobhan, I'm reacting strongly to framing what happened as "phrasing things poorly," because I do not believe the problem was with the phrasing in the slightest. The phrasing reflected the attitudes and sentiments behind it. For example, a regular commenter using violent imagery(1) despite knowing that violent imagery is triggering to Melissa is not something that can be explained away by poor phrasing; the problem is disrespect and negligence to the point of immorality. Chastising a regular contributor, not for fucking up, but for not having one's apology be contrite, immediate, or detailed enough to suit the commentariat (2) (or for walking away and not "attending") to the commentariat) also cannot be explained by poor phrasing; the problem is not the words; to be blunt, the problem is that the commentariat treats the contributors like shit. The problem with your comment(3) most closely resembled poor phrasing; however, the phrasing still reflected your thought process--a thought process in which the proper addressees of your query were the commentariat, not Melissa.

I also note that part of the problem has been, in fact, what was *not* said, as much as what *was* said. For example, Melissa saying that something was getting to her, and no commenters responding to her for over an hour.(3) (As contrasted with the expectations the commentariat have expressed, of Melissa and of the other contributors, that responses to triggers and so forth will be *immediate.*)

Similarly, I have responded to your comment with this novel here not because I am so easily offended by such a small thing as phrasing, but because I am angered by the attitude which your phrasing reflects. I think it is a disservice to Melissa and the other contributors to attribute the problem to poor phrasing; the problem is a culture of disrespect, thoughtlessness, apathy and entitlement.

(1) Salatan and Slate hit a new low.
(2) Caption this Photo
(3) I Get Fan Mail.

*cough* Ahem. Sorry. Massive thread-jacking, I know, lurker first time commenting goes nutz.

Evn, this has been coming ever since the primaries. The blog just attracted so many new readers who were unfamiliar with the culture and traditions of the blog, and...ugh. She's been feeling set upon since the primaries. There was an earlier hiatus which led to a lot of donations to her and promises to donate every month, subscribe, etc, and of course the donations fell off every month since. She does too much work and does not get enough in return. It's been a long time coming.

See, in chronological order, the last in a series of threads where Melissa begs for some positivity (and is denied, and goes on hiatus), a write-up of what Melissa does every day Melissa comes back, and you only get happy endings when you stop early.

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*crawls back into the shadows*

Evn said...

Threadjacking = *shrug*. I scoff at topicality.

But thank you both for the info!

Siobhan said...

The problem with your comment(3) most closely resembled poor phrasing; however, the phrasing still reflected your thought process--a thought process in which the proper addressees of your query were the commentariat, not Melissa.

Actually, when I posted, I didn't know who the hell to address it to -- I honestly thought Melissa stopped reading most threads fairly early on -- a key mistake. I also posted that comment, got busy at work, got back and saw Melissa's comment, immediately, posted an apology, emailed an apology and emailed Paul & Deeky to ask what more I should do -- THEN saw that other people weren't responding. And yeah, I don't think everyone got busy all of a sudden and it took them an hour to check back. I can only speak for myself.

And you are right about the flippancy of the violent imagery. I DO believe (and, since this is a wiccan site, I thought I was in company with others who might share this belief) that Mercury in retrograde had something to do with it -- take away the brakes that normally make you stop and think, or send your thoughts down entirely the wrong path.

While this has been going on since the primaries (esp the concern trolls), it was MUCH MUCH worse (esp the violent imagery) in the last 2-3 weeks, since Melissa got back from vacation. Which reinforced my belief that Mercury in retrograde assisted.

I'm still wading through the caption this photo thread you posted -- since the photo and a lot of the comments have been deleted, would you mind summarizing what happened? A request, if you have time, not a demand. I completely missed that thread. I also often only have time to skim threads, depending how busy work gets, and so I have missed people getting angry for Melissa et. al., not responding right away -- and honestly, I think that's dreadful that people would do that.

Siobhan said...

Quix, if I sound defensive, it's because I feel so horribly horribly guilty that no one responded for an hour -- yes, I had a legitimate reason, but it doesn't matter. And yes, I am feeling personally responsible for that. I remind myself it was an active thread/shakes doesn't do email updates/I wasn't the only one... doesn't matter, I can't convince myself that it wasn't my fault for not being there.

Siobhan said...

Ugh, Quix, never mind, I'm getting down in the comments on the Caption this photo post, and it's ugly.

And Evn, thank you for letting us threadjack.

Quix said...

Ugh is right. >:

I really think it was just as bad leading up to the election, though; like for example I remember Acrimonious Astraea just up and leaving as a result of a fight with Melissa.

*sigh*

"And I am probably going to screw this up and say something offensive or insensitive and piss off the entire online feminist community and have to go into Witness Protection"
first, you have to be famous. *then* you alienate entire online communities.

Siobhan said...

Quix, there's a post up now at Shakes by the moderators.

I started reading Shakesville during the primaries, and spent so much time being awestruck and educated about feminism (I'm the perfect age to be well-conditioned by the "Backlash") that I didn't even start reading the comments until just before Liss went on break then. So I didn't really see the build-up at that point.

Evn, I adore your Bluestocking post, and look forward to more.

Quix said...

That'll fucking teach *me* to sit on rants like that for a week. Go on the rant and it's rendered obsolete within the hour. From now on, I post rants early and often, so that they stay relevant for as long as possible.

Evn said...

Quix:

<< First, you have to be famous. *then* you alienate entire online communities. >>

Good to know! I feel better now.

Siobhan:

<< I adore your Bluestocking post, and look forward to more. >>

Awww, thanks! I just love Susan Boyle. I want to buy her shiny baubles and do chores for her.

Yvonne Rathbone said...

Quix:From now on, I post rants early and often, so that they stay relevant for as long as possible.

And that is an excellent thing to learn.

So is the whole backlash thing. I wish men would start looking at each other for why they are held in stupid, life-denying gender roles rather than pin the blame on the women who won't sleep with them.

Glad I didn't sit on that rant.

Thalia said...

Gosh, Yvonne, I was kinda thinking the same thing. I don't (ever) post at Shakesville, and I only read it occasionally (for some reason it just takes forever to load in my browser) but reading the post from the mods there today all I could think was that it was a bunch of dudes being all dudely and stuff and not wanting to give up the violent talk. (Not that I am familiar with all that has been happening there, not by a long shot, just my impression of part of what was contributing to the problem).

Evn, welcome to the dark side!

Or something. I haven't been participating in the radfem stuff since Twisty's forum went kasplooey. That was fun, hoo-boy!

Yvonne Rathbone said...

Hey, I found where the Snarkness hides his motivational posters.

http://despair.com/wishes.html

Yewtree said...

Back on topic...

Thanks for the plug, Evn.

Re: "probably going to screw this up and say something offensive or insensitive and piss off the entire online feminist community and have to go into Witness Protection"

Yeah, me too. It's kind of the point of the Bluestocking though. We don't need no steenkin' Andrea Dworkin victim mentality.

Siobhan said...

Yvonne, I bought a whole 2009 calendar of those "demotivational" posters -- I have hated office motivational posters ever since I worked in an office where the poster said "Teamwork -- together we can accomplish anything" and the picture was of the Great Wall of China.

Yup, teamwork and the lives of 1,000,000 slaves. Guess which group I was in?

WVW: sopestri -- when you can ALMOST justify that Teamwork poster